Selecting a Chain Grade
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John, very well thought out. We had elongated links added to the ends of Egret’s 3/8″ G4 chain at the factory allowing the larger forged shackle pin you suggested. For those who don’t have elongated links with existing chain, Wichard makes a special forged stainless steel shackle that well exceeds the chain’s strength.
We also had the chain re-galvanized twice. Once in the U.S. and once in New Zealand. The New Zealand re-galvanize was much better.
S.
Hi Scott,
Thanks for the good thoughts.
On the Wichard shackles, we are not keen on any stainless steel in an anchoring system. Recent testing has shown that the effects of fatigue are far worse on that material than we once thought.
We too have had chain re-galvanized, but after discussing that process at length with the engineers at Peerless, we now do not recommend it. More on that in the first chain chapter.
Hello John,
This is excellent. Rajah Laut came with 1/2 in chain. It was a bit rusty at one end so switched it end for end. Sooner or later I am going to have to go through the same process as you have just done but I appreciate your blazing the trail. In the end I suspect the gypsy issue will be the hard one to swallow.
Thanks again for an excellent review (as always.)
Hi Victor,
Yes, these thing are a pain and expensive too. But well worth doing since you would be able to go down to 3/8″ G70 and get a huge weight savings and/or the ability to stow 50%, or so, more chain in the same space—all good.
Hi John,
Who wouldn’t like the thought of moving up to 400 feet AND still have a weight savings?
I wonder if there is any recycle possibility with older but good chain? Maybe ACCO as a manufacturer would be interested in a buy back program? I am probably dreaming here.
Thanks again.
Hi Victor,
That’s a good idea. Not sure they will give anyone any money, but it would be nice if it got used for something and not just dumped.
What are your plans for the gypsy/wildcat issue? (Gyspy Wildcat sounds like a great name for a band, no?) We wanted to use 5/16 G70 for our system but our windlass mnfr (Lewmar H3) doesn’t offer a gypsy for it. They also don’t have a gypsy for 3/8″ HT (G40), which was Plan A, shot down in flames. We love the windlass – has performed flawlessly – but the sparse gypsy offerings are an issue. We ended up with 5/16th G40, which worries me a bit. I wasn’t aware that a custom gypsy was even a possibility. Have you heard of other windlass manufacturers offering them, or is that the sort of thing you can order from a good machine shop?
Hi David,
If necessary, we will bite the bullet and have Ideal make us a new wildcat. I’m not usually so profligate with the hard earned cash, but anchoring is a system where I just will not cut corners, and that must be as perfect as I can make it.
Any good windlass manufacturer should offer custom wildcats for different sizes and pitches of chain. And I’m not surprised that Lewmar does not.
In addition, as far as I can see, the Lewmar H3 does not have a clutch or brake, features that we deem as absolutely required for safe anchoring. I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but it might be time to consider replacing the Lewmar.
I’m not an expert on metal fabrication, but I think that in most cases wildcats are cast, not machined, so, no, a machine shop will probably not be able to make one, or at least not at any sort of a reasonable price.
John,
You are correct that most wildcats are cast although there is usually a bit of post machining and broaching for the keyway. I also think that your assessment that it would be too expensive to have a single unit machined is probably right. The block of raw material alone would be quite expensive. Looking at one, you would really need to build one that is 2 pieces bolted together (many already are) because otherwise the tool aspect ratio wouldn’t work since it gets pretty narrow pretty far into the part. To do the keyway properly, it should be broached(more $$) although you can sometimes cheat and machine one that is close if the depth is small relative to the key size. Lewmar actually has a bunch of .dxf and .stp files available so you would stand a pretty good chance of being able to put a model and drawing together for a shop.
If you can buy it rather than getting it custom, that will definitely be the way to go.
Eric
Hi Eric,
Thanks for the confirmation on the wildcat.
I think that you made an excellent choice for your situation. I keep hoping that galvanized G70 with end links will become more readily available than it is now. For the time being, I use a size larger of G43 due to ease of purchase but I certainly wouldn’t mind going a size smaller with a higher grade.
If you old chain’s only problem is that it makes a mess, you have enough chain to set up a whole bunch of whaler sized moorings. Our mooring chain (much larger than 7/16) is old anchor chain from a much larger vessel that I used to work on which discarded it due to the galvanizing getting thin which doesn’t matter a bit to me when it is sitting down in the mud.
Eric
Hi Eric,
We went with G43 17 years ago for exactly the same availability reason. However it seems that now lengths with oversized links are much easier to source, both in the USA and Europe (see Henrik’s comment below).
You are right about reuse, and we already have a task for our old chain: we are extending our wharf here at base camp so MC can be along side and we will use the old chain to fabricate offshore lines to hold her off the dock face in onshore winds. I’m guessing that immersed in the mud it will last for years.
Hello..!
We used to have 60 m (200 feet) Stainless steel 13 mm anchor chain on our 47 feet, alu sail yacht, but when it started to show some corrosion in the welding’s we found it wise to have it removed. We also had some thoughts of getting a longer chain. A new SS was out of the question due to the cost, so we started the research on what to do. Mainly based on the many clever thoughts about anchoring from John here (thanks’ a lot..!!), we decided to go for a 10 mm (3/8”) G70 chain.
We ended up getting 120m (400 feet) Italian made 10 mm (3/8”) DIN 766 RINA certified Aqua7 Cert (G70) hot dip galvanized chain. On our request it was delivered with pear-shaped end links making it possible to fit shackles big enough to match the MBL of the chain. The new chain weighs just 2,3 kg (4,6 Lbs.)/meter so even if we the doubled the length, it only added the total weight with 50 kg (100 lbs.).
Until recently we used to have (at least) three anchors on board, located at the front in the anchor locker, but we´re getting more and more happy with our 55 kg SPADE as our main anchor. This summer we spent 6 weeks sailing north of Spitsbergen (80` North) and we just had to reset the anchor once, due to heavy kelp, so we told the old 35 kg BRUCE good bye..! That´s make us down to just two anchors, with a 35 kg SPADE as our second, giving us just 15 kg (30 lbs.) added weight all over.
David:
We have a LEWMAR Ocean3 windlass and had to get a new DIN 766 10 mm gipsy, witch it took us about 8 weeks to get..! Our dealer here in Norway told us they´re having a hard time getting spare parts from Lewmar on a general bases. Obviously Lewmar don´t pay much attention to the after market, witch’s a shame since they have very well functioning products.
Hi Henrik,
I think you were very wise to move away from the stainless steel chain. We are hearing more and more stories of problems with that material.
Sounds like your experience with anchors is almost identical to ours. It is good to have the confirmation, thank you.
Also, thanks for the information that you can get a wildcat for the Lewmar to fit G70…if you wait long enough! Sadly we are hearing a lot of bad stories about Lewmar customer support.
interesting to hear about your chain decission, I am in the same situation and plan to change my 90 m 12 mm chain (of unknown quality and origin) into 100 m of 10 mm. Can you tell me what vendor/manufacturer to contact ? And what was the cost of your 120 m ?
Jon