Goodbye “Morgan’s Cloud”, What a Ride

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Morgans’ Cloud on the east coast of Greenland, 2003, at least 200 miles from the nearest habitation.

The sale of our beloved Morgan’s Cloud, a custom aluminum McCurdy and Rhodes expedition sailboat, closed yesterday.

What a time we had together:

  • She owned us for a few months shy of thirty years.
  • We sailed over 100,000 nautical miles, and probably closer to 150,000 (lost count), together.
  • Four trans-Atlantics, three via the Arctic and one the classic east-to-west southern route.
  • Two Newport to Bermuda races, first in class in both and best corrected time in fleet in one.
  • Quite a bit of single-handed sailing, before Phyllis joined the ship and my life, including a passage from the Caribbean to Bermuda.
  • The site of our “first date”, an early-season gale-tossed passage from Bermuda to Maine. I needed to find a crew who didn’t know better and Phyllis fit the bill having never sailed before.
  • How many watches at sea? A rough estimate (based on the miles) of over 5000 for each of us.
  • About a year and a half of nights at sea for me and a little less for Phyllis— she had 35,000 miles in her wake before I let on that you can actually stop at night.
  • Our primary home for 20 years. We have both slept more nights aboard than any other place we have lived in our lives.
  • Five voyages to Greenland including three visits to the remote east coast.
  • A voyage to Svalbard including two transits of Hinlopen Strait.
  • Two visits to Baffin Island, definitely the place where we felt most at risk…OK, downright terrified.
  • Two winters living aboard in Tromsø, Arctic Norway. Not at all scary given we were tied alongside a luxury hotel. One of our most wonderful cruising experiences, made so by the people of that city.
  • A winter living aboard in London, England.
  • Two winters in the Caribbean and one in the Bahamas.
  • Two winters in Charleston, preparing for and recovering from an Arctic Voyage.
  • She helped us turn a few articles in yachting magazines into this business.
Hard on the wind for 5 days crossing Denmark Strait (Greenland to Iceland), summer 2000, during our third trans-Atlantic in three years. We learned to slow down after that!
Baffin Island 2011. Scary.
Tromsø, Arctic Norway, at high noon on December 21st 2002. Not scary. You can see Morgan’s Cloud‘s mast peeking up behind the hotel middle-left.

The boat kept us safe, forgave our mistakes, and taught us so much, and in return we cared for her:

  • Two refits, mostly DIY
  • Two re-powers
  • Two complete paint jobs
  • Replacement of the rig
  • Constant preventative maintenance
  • A constant equipment replacement cycle
The second refit

At a rough guess, for every day of voyaging, we worked on the boat for a day. A brutal ratio, but she rewarded us with close to perfect reliability. Only twice in all those years did we have to delay our plans due to a gear failure:

  • A broken intermediate shroud that touched off a replacement of all standing rigging and cost us a month’s delay—we should have replaced the rigging the year before, instead of getting it NDT tested.
  • A lost season to a complete rebuild of the engine driveline, caused by a boatyard that we trusted to install it unsupervised—the only time we ever made that mistake—who screwed it up.

Neither were a failure of the boat, but rather our mistakes.

Hello New Morgan’s Cloud

This is the first time in 39 years that I have been without a boat and it…sucks! And Phyllis feels the same. She woke up this morning with a hollow feeling in her stomach.

So with the money from the sale in hand, we are now in full-on boat buying mode.

We will report more, and particularly on the things we are learning that will be useful to others, as the new boat buy comes together.

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Michael DeMan

Wow – both beautiful and sad at the same time. Thanks for the great website, info and stories. Expecting to see more and best of wishes on hunting for another boat that is a little easier for two to manage as you get up in the years.

Ernest E Vogelsinger

Phyllis and John, my deepest condolences, and congratulations 🙂 I can only imagine how it would be to part with a boat having so many adventures and time in common…
On the other hand you’re now free to pursue your next projected path, and I am eager to keep on stalking you there 😉

Marc Dacey

Well done, and my sympathies. May the adventure continue to be attainable.

Andrew Craig-Bennett

Congratulations! However much you may love a boat, know that you need to change, like the new owner, and look forward to the next project, all of which I am sure are the case here, there is always an element of tension in the transaction. Now it’s over, you can relax a bit.

Robert Tetrault

Congrats to both of you, hope she gets a better new owner than I did. Sea Return was anchored nearby for a week and I couldn’t muster up enough courage to visit the new owner (last one died aboard). Tough time for boat shopping, it might take awhile. Happy times ahead. Bob Tetrault

Kim Graven-Nielsen

Hi John congratulations with the sale. I hope you are pleased and happy with the new owner. Saying goodby to a thrusted friend is never easy. I am not quite ready to give up on long range cruising, but I am sure your transfer will be inspiring. Good luck,
Kim Graven

North Star

JOHN SHEPARD

Congrats Phyllis and John. Sad to close a door on such wonderful experiences. But as you are thinking, it opens a new door on different adventures.

I look forward to the next 5 years.

VERNON ADEN

I am so sorry for your loss… Now begins a new adventure!

John Kirby

Moving is always traumatic; losing a dear friend or a limb even more so. You are doing all three at once…

But as these things always are and as you already know, it’s a dialectic, and to slip such a heavy cable means freedom, too. The feeling of lightness and open horizons must be thrilling.

I wish you all the best; the help you’ve given so many of us will invariably redound to your karmic credit score as you settle on the next Cloud.

With appreciation,

John Kirby

Eric Klem

Congrats and condolences. Getting that closed with the current Covid situation must have been tricky. I would guess that after your home market, the next 2 most obvious markets to buy your next boat from are the Great Lakes and our neck of the woods. Let us know if you end up down this way.

Eric

Dick Stevenson

Hi Eric,
Where in the Great Lakes are you?
Alchemy was in Newfoundland within a few weeks of our joining her to go up the St. Lawrence River and into the Great Lakes when covid hit.
She continues to be largely abandoned as the US/Canada borders are closed and after missing one season (and with no sign of the borders opening) we decided to throw money at the problem and have the boat trucked to Mich. At my age, I do not want to miss another season.
My best, Dick Stevenson

Michael DeLorenzo

Dick,
I’m trucking mine out of Lewisporte the week after yours. Sigh …
Michael

Dick Stevenson

Hi Michael,
What is the name of your boat? I have been in and out of Lewisporte for a couple years now: great place. I am sorry we have yet to cross paths. Alchemy is to be loaded onto a truck in the next couple of hours.
Write me at alchemy128(at)gmail.com if you have questions.
One surprise that almost de-railed the trucking was that wide loads only are allowed on the ferry on Monday nights.
Good luck with all this: I certainly continue to have my fingers crossed. Dick

Norris Eaton

Hi Dick,

I was driving along the TCH early this morning, headed east to Lewisporte, when this big beautiful sailboat passed me (near Springdale), headed west. What an impressive sight! I mentioned this to Brian at the Lewisporte Marina and he said the boat belonged to you. Brian also indicated he was very impressed with both the driver and the trailer. It seems your boat is in good hands and it should arrive safely.

Best Regards,
Norris

Dick Stevenson

Hi Norris,
What fun!
Thanks for sharing.
And yes, Alchemy looks huge out of her element on a truck. I have seen pictures.
And, once again, Newfoundland has shown itself to be an impressively generous and “can-do” part of the world. The friends and contacts made in Newfoundland have come
through to prepare Alchemy for shipment: no small task as the mast was in and
pulpit had to come off as just two the bigger challenges. 
I am on my way in my other mobile “home”, a small RV, to be re-united in Michigan and see what almost 2 years abandonment and the highway present me with.
I can’t wait, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

Eric Klem

Hi Dick,

Sorry if my post was not clear, I was saying the Great Lakes or my neck of the woods which is Massachusetts which has pretty good proximity to the huge number of sailboats in New England and is only a <400NM sail home for John to Mahone Bay. We actually bought our boat in Michigan, I had looked in the northeast US for a little while and kept finding projects so eventually started talking to the previous owner and got comfortable enough to hire a surveyor which gave me the confidence then to fly out there and look for myself. The previous owner had bought a 25,000 lb GVW trailer for it so we towed it back here on that. I have done the Saint Lawrence Seaway trip before and didn’t have time to do it this time around plus there were a few things that I wanted to do to the boat before putting it in the water and doing them with access to my shop made it far easier. 2 weeks after launching, we took our first quick ten day cruise on it and sure enough, we found a few small issues that could have delayed a delivery trip but were not a big deal so close to home.

I think you made a good call on trucking, even if stuff opens up soon. Depending on which way you leave the lakes, you may end up covering the ground you missed anyways.

Eric

John Cobb

I would love to be able to find a boat to buy in the Great Lakes region in the next few months. We’d sail it up there until the hurricane season was ending. Then bring it down here to Florida.

Drew Frye

When I sold my PDQ I was at first relieved when the deal closed, and then melancholy. I still miss her. That old saw about selling the boat being a great day is only true if you had the wrong boat. At the same time, I have no doubt you know yourself and will find a next boat that fulfills your new needs and wants.

Have fun shopping and don’t buy a project!

Jim Schumacher

I don’t know to whom to give credit to but this line fits the occasion.

…the birds sing… they have no song,
…the sun sets…. it has no meaning.
… I’m in between boats.

Marc Dacey

I think that would make a good post: what tools you would and would not acquire knowing what you know now for a new or new-to-you boat in a situation less likely to find you 500 NM from the nearest chandlery. I don’t get particularly sentimental about tools, but I realize my fondness for the rarely used ones aboard borders on the irrational.

Marjolein Schouten

What a lovely story and very understandable. Thank you for giving an insight into your process of saying goodbye to your lovely ship. We’re still cruising the Atlantic (my husband is 70, I’m 64). For us the time to say goodbye to our Victoire 34 is coming closer, but hopefully not yet there.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts so candidly.

Jim Schumacher

John, I’m suspect that your emotions are running wild and you probably have a feeling of dread in your gut. Quickly, that will be transformed into the energy of your next adventure…. or in your case literally, your next chapter.
I’ve just bought (I mean it this time) my last boat. I’m inching up on 78 and I’ve joined the dark side. She’s 43 ft, has in-mast furling, electric winches, bow thruster and enough electronics to keep me entertained through COVID. And, I love her. You’ll see.

Dirk Jacobsz

Well done guys – what a story. Congratulations

Colin Speedie

Well, what a ride, indeed! Sad to part with such a part of your being, but it would be worse to put such a thoroughbred out to pasture.
Hopefully the new owners will love and care for her as much as you both did, and may they have as much good fortune and as many adventures with her, too.
Now for the new MC!
Best wishes to you both
Colin

Louise Johnson

Oh my word… the end of a wonderful era. Thirty years!

I’m sure this will be a bitter-sweet moment. When we sold Pelerin, I felt a similar pang, albeit our journeys didn’t quite match yours aboard Morgan’s Cloud.

I hope she continues to have as many adventures as she moves on to her next chapter.

John & Phyllis, wishing that fair winds bring a new trusty voyager your way very soon. You’ll now have the chance to find the Cloud’s silver lining!

Lou (also currently boat-less, but also working on it!)

Matt Marsh

For years, I’ve been the one AAC writer with no big boat, while John, Phyllis, Colin, and Louise hopped around the globe in lovely ocean-going yachts.

Now the whole lot of you are (briefly) boat-free, while Katy and I are just waiting for the crane schedule to get Maverick V back in the water. What a weird turnabout!

Good luck to all of you on the hunt. I’m hopeful that, in the markets you’re prowling, there’s more to choose from at better prices. I’ve been keeping an eye on the Great Lakes under-$50k market since we bought Maverick V, and I think we got her at just the right time. Last winter, there were about fifty boats listed near us that might have fit our criteria and budget; this winter there were just eight. People who can’t vacation abroad during the pandemic seem to have turned to boating domestically instead.

Louise Johnson

Hi Matt, twists n’ turns, eh?!
Wish you all the best for your launch with Maverick, and may you have safe passages, excellent winds, no gremlins and lots of laughs!

Alastair Currie

All the best going forward with your sailing plans. And everything else of course.
Great history with Morgan’s Cloud, thanks for sharing the passion that boat gave.
Best regards, Alastair

Henrik Johnsen

That’s what a ship is, you know. 
It’s not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that’s what a ship needs, but what a ship is…is freedom.”
Captain Jack Sparrow

Richard Phillips

Just out of curiosity – where did you moor up for overwintering in London? Good luck with the new boat hunt!

Dick Stevenson

Hi Richard,
I spent 3 winters at St. Katherine Docks pretty much right in the middle of London and right next to Tower Bridge and across the street from The Tower of London. We would come in late (Nov.) and leave early (March-April) and just had a wonderful winter enjoying all that London had to offer: which is a lot.  And it was a great place to stage for wandering about Northern Europe. Friends continue to over-winter there.
I suspect Morgan’s Cloud over-wintered there as well.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

Martin Loxton

Dear Dick, John and other AAC members

This may not be the right place on the AAC website to be asking this, but I don’t know where else I should ask it.

After Brexit, UK cruising sailors are now in the same position as those from the US have been for a long time. Being restricted to spending only 90 days in 180 within the Schengen area (EU plus Norway, Canaries, Madeira, Azores etc)). This hugely restricts where one can go beyond UK and Ireland, after 90 days cruising, without a passage to North Africa, North America etc, or to return home.

How did you manage it Dick when you wandered the Mediterranean, and you John and Phyllis when you explored Norway and Scandinavia?

Websites like Noonsite are really not very useful on this topic.

Best regards, Martin Loxton

Dick Stevenson

Hi Martin,
Complex question unless you have an “in”. I am on the road and will try to put an answer together in the next few days. I believe you can garner some guidance from the OCC/Ocean Cruising Club’s “Cruising Forum” section of their web site which I believe is open to the public.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

Martin Loxton

Thank you John.

Having worked as a fly in consultant, since1996, in Oslo, Stavanger, Bergen, Sweden and Finland, and seen the amazing coastlines, I had hoped to do some extensive cruising in Scandinavia. Having just retired that would have been possible, but for the UK government’s negotiation of Brexit – leaving UK citizens in the same place as all other 3rd party countries to the Schengen area, with just 90 days access in 180.

Unless Dick, with his experience of long term cruising in Europe has some insights.

Best regards

Martin Loxton

Dick Stevenson

Hi Martin,
Probably more than you wished for.
(Please note that much of the following was written pre-Brexit and pre-Corona Virus, so a heightened awareness of Schengen visa regulations and their enforcement could reasonably be expected. It is also a mash-up of responses I have written in the past, so please forgive repetition and editing issues. And, also, reasonable people may take issue with some of my comments.)
Our take is that it is very hard for cruisers to reasonably cruise Europe and stay in Schengen compliance (90 days/3 months out of 180 days/6 months in Schengen countries), especially if you are live-aboard. US, NZ and Aus. cruisers (and other countries) are particularly burdened as they have a long (and expensive) way to go to get home when their Schengen visa time is gone: not to mention that 3 months is a very short season for some.
There are cruisers who have found ways to become “temporary residents” of an EU country which allows for longer visits (and perhaps other strategies). More information on this can be found at the Ocean Cruising Club’s web site in the “Cruisers Forum” area.
The following is meant to be a description of what we have found, done and learned with respect to Schengen visa rules in Europe. We would wish this to be considered information (not vetted) rather than guidance. We very much wished to follow the Schengen rules as we wish to abide by rules/regulations generally in our life. We are guests in the countries we visit and do not want to abuse this privilege nor do we wish to set a bad precedent for cruisers to follow.
We have been following this in detail since 2006 (till 2016). Our observations below are based on our actual experience as well as first hand reports. We have spent 11+ years in Europe (split between the Med and Northern Europe); the first 8 as full-time live-aboards and the last few years cruising 6-7 months and leaving the boat for the winter.
For context, we are a couple, and we are often stopped by authorities and our history has indicated that we are likely to get caught whenever we break a rule (sometimes inadvertently), which is ironic considering how we careful we generally are.
We pay attention to our world and we know a lot of cruisers. We collect information where possible and do a fair amount of networking. All foreign flagged European cruisers talk a lot about Schengen.
To our knowledge: we know of no cruiser who has been fined or sanctioned for Schengen violation (I am sure there must be examples, but in the hundreds, perhaps more than a thousand at this point, of foreign-flagged boats known and all the networking done, we do not know of any. (See below for close calls.) (Not a Schengen violation, but we know of one Australian who violated UK’s 6-month visa and was denied re-entry for 3 months. Their lesson: do not ask questions of immigration officials: just answer their questions and move on.) Some cruisers have for years been in Europe and paid no attention to Schengen rules. They tend to keep a low profile and have often made a “home” in a particular area so they do not move around or cross borders as most cruisers will do. We also know of a number, including us, who have been warned that they were about to be over their limit.
A few general notes:

1.     Schengen concerns seem twofold when specifics are mentioned “Do you intend to work for pay and/or do you intend to access medical help (or other “welfare” type generosities)?” We are very sympathetic to the need for regulations and for the necessity to ensure compliance. Very few people travel like cruisers do (slowly and with lots of time) and there are very few of us: so, it is not a surprise that there are no regulations designed with us in mind. We do not ever want to do things that harm or undermine our host country. There is a saying that we should “leave only footprints, take only pictures”: for cruisers this might be adjusted to say that we would wish to leave only money and good will and to take only memories and souvenirs (and to leave a clean wake).
2.     The UK is not a Schengen country and gives a 6-month visa to US boats. A very reasonable cruise plan could be to leave (or over-winter in) the UK and spend 3 months in Schengen countries and then return to the UK which can certainly fill up the rest of the season with terrific cruising. We did this based out of the Shetland Islands which were only an overnight from Norway and spent the next 3 months in Norway going N. The next season, we went S and around for another few months in Norway.
3.     We met a number of people living on their boat who have been in Europe for years paying no attention to Schengen rules and have had no trouble. They tend to have a low profile and often have made a “home” of a certain area and do not move around much or at all.
4.     We understand that Schengen is mainly to manage immigrant labor and local services and not to regulate the relatively few cruisers immigration has to deal with. Most officials (not airport or ferry) seem to recognize this and, in the long run, seem to cut cruisers some slack.
5.     The rule is written 3 months in and 3 months out. In practice, some cruisers leave within the 3-month period, get their passport stamped in a non-Schengen country, and then return and considering the clock to have re-started. At least one immigration official in the Med suggested this as a reasonable option and we know some cruisers who have operated in this way.
6.     Close calls we are aware of:
a.     We know one couple who returned to their boat which had been left in a Schengen country (Finland) when leaving to visit a country out of Schengen. Their being out of compliance with Schengen prior to departure was not noticed when they left, but it was noticed upon return and they were denied entry. With much angst and explanation that their home (their boat) was in Finland, they were eventually allowed into the country to get to their boat as long as they left immediately.
b.     We were caught in violation once (by a long period because of some unexpected and serious health issues that kept us in port for months) and threatened with fines approaching 1,000 euro each. Although we learned later that it was known as a “tough” port (Rhodes in Greece), they finally let us leave with no fine after a couple days of consideration. It appeared to us that they did not want really to fine/sanction us. We think it was also clear that, in general, our working hard in good faith to comply with regulations, even if not done perfectly, makes a difference and is recognized by (most) officials
It is also our experience that many immigration officials just do not know the Schengen rules very well (port and coastal authorities in particular) and most have no clue about a cruiser’s traveling style, especially how slowly we move (airport and ferry terminal officials especially in this regard), and how the Schengen rules were in no way designed to regulate us. Do not expect consistency (either in caring about the rule or in application, especially country to country), and there is no central clearing house for info. There is much mis-information among officials, and, for sure, also among cruisers. Finally, we are just too small a group for most officials to have had much contact with us, so we are an unusual anomaly and therefore worthy of official wariness, again especially from airport and ferry terminal officials.
As said, airport and major ferry terminals are much stricter/more diligent than port/coastal authorities. They (seem to) assume everyone is illegal till proved different while coastal officials (seem to) assume you are likely ok. Coastal officials often have a more intimate knowledge of you as they may be on your boat etc. and have dealt with occasional cruisers before. Both airports and ferry terminals have given us a hard time (usually just warning lectures), while port authorities give us a pass if they pay attention at all; they seem to recognize that we are in an awkward place, and that the rules were generated to control populations other than the cruising community (major concerns seem to be abusing work rules and medical availability). This recognition is much harder for officials in airports and ferry terminals where they are dealing with multitudes and rarely if ever see cruisers. Finally, luck plays a part: anybody, even a squeaky-clean traveler, can meet the official who has awakened on the wrong side of his/her bed and can receive a hard time (and there is always something one can get a hard time about).
Our understanding of Schengen is that you can be in Schengen countries for 3 months out of 6, 90 days out of 180. We believe that is what is written, but a couple of immigration officials (in the Med) have suggested that they think it acceptable to leave for a few days, collect a passport stamp from a non-Schengen country and then return to Schengen visa countries and they would consider the clock started again. Turkey is not in the EU but shifted their visa policies to be in line with the EU from back when it was contemplating joining the EU. As a result, over-wintering in Turkey always entailed the hiring of a fish boat mid-winter to take us to a Greek island to get stamped out of Turkey, returning in the afternoon to check back into Turkey. This re-started Turkey’s 3-month visa clock.
It was hard (for us) not to be in violation of Schengen Visa rules occasionally. The above worked for us for more than 10 years, but clearly with effort and expense, and not without a bit of crossing our fingers and making decisions based on compliance to Schengen rather than our cruising wishes. We do not have any idea whether we have been “lucky” or not. We know some, actually quite a few, who are less diligent than we are (ie. pay little or no attention) and many who do variations on what we do. Very few full-time cruisers we know (one boat only comes to mind) follow the 3 months out of 6 religiously.
Bottom line, Europe is an amazing and wonderful area to cruise and we would not have missed it for the world. I would far rather be writing about the many joys of cruising Europe, than writing about Schengen. But it is definitely a reality that must be paid attention to.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

Marc Dacey

A sobering and likely accurate addendum. As Europe will likely be our first landfall, but in a sub-ideal order of Ireland, then the UK, then France, Spain and Portugal, we have to be very aware of ticking clocks and mandated officialdom.

Martin Loxton

Dick

Thank you so much for this very full description of your experience. I am very grateful for the effort you put into it. I certainly hope it continues like this.

I do fear that John may be right in his post below. It does seem possible that there may be, as John says, some resentment amongst some officials in the Schengen zone countries, after Brexit, and that there may be a desire to punish the UK.

I have no personal experience if this is the case. If there is it may only be directed towards UK flagged vessels. I sincerely hope that visa issues do not become more difficult to deal with for other 3rd party flagged vessels and cruisers (US, NZ, Australia etc)

My best

Martin Loxton

Dick Stevenson

Hi John,
I think that is a quite fair response and I believe you are justified in re-emphasising my initial caveat that the writing reflected pre-Brexit and pre- Covid conditions.
I did not mention VAT at all, but we found staying free from VAT taxation much easier than Schengen concerns. This is for boats that wander in a way to allow for their itinerary to include countries that are out of VAT areas and that re-start the VAT clock. For those boats more stationary and/or longer distances from VAT free countries, this may be more of an issue. And, since VAT is an ongoing presence in all life across the pond, the parameters covering VAT seem much more clear-cut and understood than for Schengen, especially for foreign flagged vessels.
I think that things have certainly changed, but I would be surprised if the slate was wiped clean. Covid certainly continues to have things in flux and will for a while, but, I prefer to assume, that cruising when Covid is sorted enough so cruising is allowed country to country may not look all that different. For example, I believe that a foreign flagged cruiser could base themselves in the UK (not Schengen and has a 6 month visa) and have a pretty good 3-month season in Europe and return to the UK (same for a UK vessel). One could do the same in Schengen free countries in the Med as we did in Turkey. It might give pretty good cruising to base out of Croatia, Montenegro, Tunisia, Morocco (Smir on the Med) and venture out for 3 months. But, clearly, covid would need to be sorted and British flagged vessels may find added resentment (more likely confusion) from Brexit, but I would hope that to be short-lived.  We have been to many countries where the US policies were seen with displeasure, but were surprised and pleased that we were always treated well. Time will tell.
I would agree that these times where uncertainty prevails, one would expect greater diligence from official-dom toward everyone. Any distinctions in the relaxed/diligent continuum in our experience was not related to place (Northern Europe vs the Med) but related to assignment (port officials were more relaxed while airport and ferry officials gave far more scrutiny).  It is such a shame that the wonderful cruising grounds of Northern Europe (and to a lesser extent, the Med) are so fraught with rules that greatly affect our recreation, but in no way pertain to our pursuits.
My best, Dick

Marc Dacey

Dick, this is an excellent set of experiences and observations and I would encourage you to share it as a submission to noonsite.com or to one of the better magazines (if they still exist), like Ocean Navigator.

Really helpful to understand the challenges and the rewards of compliance, while appreciating that there appears, in some cases, to be some interpretive latitude, as in your Turkish example.

Martin Loxton

Dear John and Phyllis

Wishing you the best of luck in your continuing sailing adventure.

Best regards

Martin Loxton

David Felsenthal

Congratulations. You are moving forward with your goals. I’m 5 years into my custodianship of Moonbeam, a 1972 Franz Mass built 46.5 foot McCurdy & Rhodes one off ketch. I know someday I will have to give her up to the fifth owner.
But for the time that I am able to keep her, she will take care of me too.

Jim Schulz

John, condolences and congratulations at the same time. My best to you and Phyllis moving on to the next chapter. Thanks again for all you have done and continue to do for this community.

Richard Elder

Hi John
Congratulations & Condolences!

How about a J44 that somebody has spent a fortune on making her the ultimate J44? Might even be recent enough to have a SCRIMP hull? https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/j-boats-44–3835807/

I’m back in the boat shopping mode myself— but for a single hander.
Richard

Richard Elder

Hi John

That particular J44 is a carbon rig frac which answers concerns about foretriangle size. Although I doubt if they made the main smaller when they turbocharged it!

Not my boat, but maybe closer to your mission, at least on days when you are feeling sporty!

With any J boat the key question is whether the hull was infused. Or if not, how much you trust your man with the moisture meter and sounding hammer! But that certainly isn’t news to you!

Cheers
Richard

Thomas Edson