Adventure 40 (Model T), Setting A Course

Chapter 3 of 16 in the eBook Boat Design & Selection - The Adventure 40

JHH5_104618-Edit-EditWhen I wrote the original post advocating a high quality and fast, but less expensive than the present norm, voyaging boat that would help bring people into offshore sailing, I really did not have any sort of plan.

In fact the post was simply a spur of the moment whim touched off by seeing a brand new Beneteau Oceanis 45 during a stroll round the marina and thinking “if they can sell that, with all its foo-foo features (in my opinion) and fancy marketing for US$225,000, surely it should be possible to do a really good simple voyager for under $200,000”—less than half the price of anything comparable.

At that point I certainly had no plan to ever build such a boat. In fact, I still don’t, since, at age 60 I have a lot of other things I would like to do with the time left to me, other than building or selling boats.

But here’s the thing. A lot of smart people have got involved and have committed a substantial amount of time and intellect through the comments to these posts. And, despite my little hissy-fit, I have really enjoyed being part of that. Also, I feel that just dropping the idea now would be letting those people, who contribute so much to this site, down.

So, here’s my plan with the goal of seeing if maybe, just maybe, we can turn this boat into a reality.

It’s All About The Money

moneyOK, let’s face it, we can talk about this boat until the cows come home, but the only way it’s going to see the light of day is if somebody can go into business to build it with a reasonable expectation of making a profit. And it’s got to be a generous profit too, to reward an investor for risking his or her capital in a business that is hardly known for its overwhelming profit potential.

Step 1, Business Plan

So, given that money needs to be made, we need a business plan, at least in summary form. And if this is going to work, that plan needs to be fair to all, transparent, a radically new way of doing business, and profitable. I think I have that plan and it will be the subject of a post in the next few months. [Edited May 2012.]

Just so you know, I am at least somewhat qualified to do this, having founded three successful businesses (albeit modestly) two of which leveraged a dramatically new and different way of doing business. The third was in the marine business (sailmaker).

Step 2, A Specification

The next thing we need is a specification of the boat we want to see built. First off, let me be clear, we are not trying to design or engineer a boat here. That will be done by a big name experienced designer—it’s hard enough to sell boats, without having to convince people to plunk down their money to buy a boat drawn by someone they have never heard of—and a top flight structural engineer, both hired by the builder. But what we are trying to do is make sure that the boat that they come up with will actually be the passage maker we envisioned. And we also need this specification soon, so that we can execute step 3, the most important step.

So, in the next few months [edited May 2012] I will condense all of the great input we have had into that specification. And if you are wondering why I get to do that, the reasons are simple:

  • nothing good ever got designed by committee;
  • I have wrung a lot of salt water out of my socks.

Now don’t misunderstand me, my word is not law in this process. I’m sure there will be many things that I will get wrong in the specification that will get fixed or changed in the design process. A process that I see being guided by a small committee of experienced voyagers. Yes, of course I get to be the chairman…what were you thinking?

And your input will count too. So if you think I have got something wrong, feel free to come up with a better idea in the comments. I promise you that your thoughts will be considered.

Stand Up And Be Counted

I know that if I was a business person looking at investing 1 to 1.5 million US dollars that I estimate it will take to make this boat a reality, I would want two things above all others: a reasonable assurance of a market and an inexpensive way to communicate with that market. To that end please sign up on this mailing list if you have a real interest in buying an Adventure 40.

Yes, I know that a mailing list does not constitute even one sale. None-the-less, any marketer will tell you that starting off with the names, emails, telephone numbers, and mailing addresses of people that have indicated at least some interest in the product by the very act of signing up, is a huge leg-up on the road to success.

Note that we pledge not to use the list for any other purpose or hand it over to any business other than one seriously committed to building the Adventure 40.

Defining Success

Every project needs a goal and the goal I’m setting for this project is a minimum of 100 names on the mailing list, and 200 would be better. If we don’t achieve that minimum, well, it was a fun and interesting process.

If we do get those 100 names we will then invite interested entrepreneurs to come up with a plan to build the boat. And if one of them convinces us that they are serious and prove that they have access to funding, we will turn over the list.

Will It Work?

It’s great to have a plan, but will it work? I really don’t know. Maybe we will achieve our mailing list goal but still nobody will come forward with the required capital. However, a reasonably successful business career followed by twenty years of high latitude sailing has taught me that if you wait to be certain of success before acting, nothing ever gets done.

Comments

Of course, this plan may not be the best one. If you have a better idea, please leave a comment, I’m all ears. But before you do, please make sure you have read all four posts (including this one) on the subject carefully and that your comment suggests a positive alternative.

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  • chris February 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    I’m in. I’m ready for the Near-Adventure 34′ – 36′, however if the Adventure 40 is that good I might make the stretch.

    John, thanks for all effort here.

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  • Ken February 29, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    John,
    I’ve been following closely to this discussion and was thrilled by all the input from so many with obvious knowledge of design, etc. Having about 12,000 or more miles of N Atlantic offshore, mostly on deliveries, a boat like the Adventure 40 or hopefully a 36′ too, would be more of what my gut wants for the next bunch of years ahead. My wife and I at this time are planning as soon as our investment cashes in, selling a very large house to purchase a good fast cruising boat, and call it home. I really have no plans for those upper latitudes that you all love so much but a good, solid, comfortable, wife friendly sea boat, brand new, all the strengths in the right places, for offshore and anchoring for the $175,000 zone would seriously give me pause to what we have planned.

    Both of our past two cruising boats were full keel, traditional type interiors and cockpit, wood boats that suited us well as I’m a boat carpenter and my wife “used” to varnish and paint. Now after spending the last 14ish years on land, growing older (58) and not actively sailing, we are thinking comfort, and defiantly not a carvel planked wood hull. And of course I’m thinking ocean passage way more than my wife, but I think that’s normal for most of us, I could be wrong. At this time we’re looking to go to the complete extreme opposite and buy a small simple catamaran by Performance Cruising Inc, the Gemini 105 MC. I know, not even in the same class, but it is in the same money zone, and we’ll be really comfortable in port. We won’t be able to afford a new Gemini at $200,00 but one a few years old is what we’re thinking. But obviously we’re still a little nervous about such a drastic change because we recently started thinking something a bit more serious like an older Hallberg-Rassy with a rear cockpit and tiller. But then, all we can afford is a much older boat than what we really want.

    So… I wish we had the option of this proposed … Adventure 40. It’s a great idea, get rid of the foo foo and just give me a damn good boat for a decent price that I can trust and my wife can live with. I’ll add my own brand of foo foo as I see fit! Consider this…I want one.

    Thanks John and everyone else for such a great blog.

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  • Rand February 29, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Currently have a 33ft daysailer….happy to trade up ! Put me on the list. (phrf 100 and uP really appreciated)

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  • Viv and Mireille March 1, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Count me in on the mailing list.

    Viv

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  • Gust Stringos March 1, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Sign me up…

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  • Philippe Sandelé March 1, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Here’s another name for the list.
    BTW, last year in Lanzarote we saw the Bestevaer from Gerard Dijkstra. I had heard about his boat before, and was very curious to see up close what a world-renowned, top-class designer build for himself to go offshore cruising. Took a bunch of pictures for future reference. Certainly, his boat is way out of the league of an Adventure 40. Nevertheless, a very learnfull experience. If interested I can post the pictures.

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  • Will Taylor March 1, 2012 at 11:45 am

    As long as it has pilot berths….

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  • Coastal March 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    This is very close to the boat I have been drafting up in my mind… Please put me on a mailing list and Please Please, Keep it simple!

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  • C. Dan March 1, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Put me on the list… who knows, maybe I’ll be able to afford it by the time it’s actually built!

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  • John March 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Wow, this is great. I’m not even asking for signups yet, and we already have eight. Just 192 to go! Please keep them coming.

    One point though, I will still be asking you to actually sign up on a mailing list form, that will go up on the site soon, so that we get all the relevant information, not just email addresses.

    The reason is that a prospective builder is a lot more likely to take the list seriously if it includes addresses and telephone numbers and if we can absolutely assure him or her that people went to the trouble of entering that information themselves.

    What I have learned from this is that we need to get that list form up on the site before any more posts, rather than waiting for “step 3″ as I wrote above.

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  • karen March 1, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    John,
    We were at the Miami boat show and got a tour from David Marlow of Marlow Yachts on one of his boats. Even though his are MV and you are doing a SV, he had some unbelievably innovative ideas incorporated into his boats. He thinks totally outside the box as you are doing and we were in awe at the ideas he has brought to life with his designs from the bottom up. Not sure if you might be interested but if so, speak to David directly. He floated his idea to friends and found himself with 7 deposit checks a few days later.

    karen

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  • NeilH March 2, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Hi John

    It’s been a great debate so far and I’m very interested. Add me to the list! Caveat is that such a boat would need to be in production within the next 2 years to be a contender for us.

    Currently considering an Allures 45 which has many of the same attributes but costs some….

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  • Ray Dunn March 3, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Hey, John- please add me to the mailing list, too. We’re about 8-10 years away from setting off on our cruise (roughly), but most of what we have been doing is like many others– looking at older boats, and refitting as needed, spending upwards of 50% of the original purchase price (more in some cases) before having what we want in a cruising sailboat. Our goals seem very similar to Ken’s above, a new boat that has been built specifically for voyaging would be waaay more palatable for so many reasons. Sign me up!

    Ray

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  • Roger May 2, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    John,

    This is a ‘bump’, given that postings have dropped off. Any recent thoughts on how to move this project forward? How is the mailing list coming?

    Regards,

    P.S. I see Hunter’s parent company Luhrs has filed for Ch. 11 protection. A sign of the times.

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    • John May 5, 2012 at 11:56 am

      Hi Roger,

      To be affective, “bumps” should be written in triplicate on the back of three $100 bills and mailed to… :-) .

      Seriously, here at AAC we write about what we are thinking about at the time. Right now, we are underway sailing home to Canada and so our posts tend to reflect that. I think that this immediacy is a strength of the site. For me the A-40 is more of a static subject for times when we are not moving.

      Never fear, there is still a lot of thinking about the A-40 going on in the background that will resurface when the muse strikes me. We are playing the long game here and I’m sure that the project will only benefit from time.

      This is not a commitment since I don’t make commitments to projects I’m not being paid for, but I would guess that the full A-40 process will take about a year from now to complete.

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  • Bill Balme May 22, 2012 at 9:47 am

    It would be nice to understand the general cost structure associated with building a boat. I’m not in the industry, so have no clue – but these are my guesses of the MATERIAL ONLY costs:

    Hull Fiberglass, epoxy, thru-hulls, strengthening materials $30,000
    Ballast Lead (10,000lb?) $10,000
    Steering Rudderpost, rudder, tiller $ 5,000
    Propulsion Engine, Gearbox, Seal, Shaft, Prop, Controls $20,000
    Interior Plywood, Laminates, fasteners, glue, fittings $ 5,000
    Electrical Wire, Conduit, Switches, Batteries, Monitor, Charger $ 5,000
    Plumbing Pipe, tanks, Toilet, Sinks, faucets, pumps, propane, stove $10,000
    Standing Rigging Mast, Boom, Stays, Stanchions, Push/Pullpits $20,000
    Running Rigging Cordage, Sails, Hardware $25,000
    Ground Tackle Anchors, Rodes, Windlass $ 4,000
    Safety Drogue, EPIRB, Flares, VHF $ 1,500
    Self Steer $ 5,000

    TOTAL COST $140,500

    To build 35 boats per year, you need people and a facility. If you can build them in 4 months, you need 12 boats on the go at all times; 3 months and you have 9 on the go.

    Where to build obviously has a huge impact on this. Assuming one does not go to Asia, but goes to a low cost area of the US… (perhaps NC – by example only…)

    Staff
    General Manager, Production Manager, Technical Manager, Purchaser, Accountant, QC Manager
    Direct Labor: Hull (2) Carpenter (2), Propulsion (1), Electrical/Plumbing (2), Rigging (1), General Labor (4)
    You’d expect that the “Management” would be practical roll up the sleeves contributors to the labor pool too.
    18 people doesn’t seem out of whack – and I’d estimate labor costs (with healthcare, FICA, etc) at $1,000,000 annually

    Facility
    20,000 square foot (to house 12 boats plus workspace…) at $11/ft including utilities: $220,000 annually.

    Pay-back of investment:
    Initial collaboration and design: ?? $ 500,000
    Prototype boat: ?? $ 750,000
    Molds, fixtures and jigs ?? $1,000,000

    TOTAL INVESTMENT: $2,250,000
    (No consideration for financing of investment or working capital)

    Payback over 100 boats (3 years) = $22,500 per boat.

    Building 35 boats per year, the total cost – based on these off the cuff guesses:
    $140,500 + $1,000,000/35 + $220,000/35 + 22,500 = $197,857.
    Selling at $200,000 per boat would yield a profit of about $25,000 per year on annual sales of $7,000,000. (Just about break-even)

    In order to generate a before tax profit of say 15% we’d have to add about $30,000 per boat – getting to a price of $230,000 each.

    Still a helluva bargain!

    OK – so now help yourself to ridicule the guesses! ;-)

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    • John May 22, 2012 at 9:57 am

      Hi Bill,

      No ridicule, you have done a great job! I think you may be a little high, but we should have more on that soon.

      But even if you are right on as $230,000, assuming that the boat meets the reliability and quality goals I set out in the post, its still the deal of the century with a 10 year cost of ownership that is one half to one third that of any competitor.

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  • Eric Grina April 15, 2013 at 11:03 am

    The US Naval Academy’s development of a specification for their Navy 44 Sail Training Craft might have someareas of interest as you work to define the Adventure 40.
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a534775.pdf
    Regards
    Eric Grina
    T37C Cricket

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    • John April 15, 2013 at 12:23 pm

      Hi Eric,

      Thanks very much for the link. I read the Navy 44 specification some time ago, but it’s probably time I read it again–so much good information.

      Reply

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