Comments on: Love Of The Ocean And The Real Price Of Oil http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/ The Offshore Voyaging Reference Site Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:05:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: John http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3513 John Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:46:36 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3513 Hi James, Thanks for the kind words on the site. I agree, we could use liquefied natural gas a lot more than we do. Unfortunately it has not proved practical for boats to date because it requires a great deal more volume, when measured against diesel, for a given amount of energy. In fact it was tried for cooking on boats in place of propane some years ago but fell out of favor due to the difficulty and expense of filling cylinders as well as the above reason. Hi James,
Thanks for the kind words on the site.
I agree, we could use liquefied natural gas a lot more than we do. Unfortunately it has not proved practical for boats to date because it requires a great deal more volume, when measured against diesel, for a given amount of energy.
In fact it was tried for cooking on boats in place of propane some years ago but fell out of favor due to the difficulty and expense of filling cylinders as well as the above reason.

]]> By: John http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3512 John Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:39:43 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3512 Hi Benjy, I would certainly agree on the conservation "just use less" theme. However, I still think that a realistic price is the way to attain that goal for oil products. Human nature being what it is, most of us will tend to use too much as long as oil is cheap. Hi Benjy,
I would certainly agree on the conservation “just use less” theme. However, I still think that a realistic price is the way to attain that goal for oil products. Human nature being what it is, most of us will tend to use too much as long as oil is cheap.

]]> By: Dale http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3506 Dale Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:42:47 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3506 Well, during the Jimmy Carter days, conservation was the in thing. In fact, if we had implemented his plan for automotive standards the mileage for US cars would be much higher today and would probably be using the rails like they should be used. But the two headed political monster switched again and the good ideas of course were thrown out. Well, during the Jimmy Carter days, conservation was the in thing. In fact, if we had implemented his plan for automotive standards the mileage for US cars would be much higher today and would probably be using the rails like they should be used. But the two headed political monster switched again and the good ideas of course were thrown out.

]]> By: benjy http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3498 benjy Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:27:41 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3498 I would just like to add that the most important way to reduce our footprint is simply to consume less. I know it seems obvious but this really is the easiest and most sensible option. It's not a cure all but it is something that we can all do right NOW. It's always, electric this, biofuel this, hydrogen, wind power etc but no one ever states the obvious. JUST USE AND BUY LESS!!!!! Turn lights off, share a car journey to work. Don't replace your car so often. Use a bike more. Don't throw food out, re heat it and eat it the next day. The list of ways to do this is endless. Remember that the powers that be want you to consume and consume until there's no planet left. It doesn't have to be like this. On a positive note I am delighted to see that more and more people are realising the urgency of this matter. Whether this extreme weather is due to human activity is not the point. We owe it to future generations and the extraordinary and frankly amazing biodiversity on this planet to take care of it regardless. I'm delighted that these desperately important issues seem to be snow balling. Things are really happening. It's very exciting! I would just like to add that the most important way to reduce our footprint is simply to consume less. I know it seems obvious but this really is the easiest and most sensible option. It’s not a cure all but it is something that we can all do right NOW.

It’s always, electric this, biofuel this, hydrogen, wind power etc but no one ever states the obvious. JUST USE AND BUY LESS!!!!!

Turn lights off, share a car journey to work. Don’t replace your car so often. Use a bike more. Don’t throw food out, re heat it and eat it the next day. The list of ways to do this is endless.

Remember that the powers that be want you to consume and consume until there’s no planet left. It doesn’t have to be like this.

On a positive note I am delighted to see that more and more people are realising the urgency of this matter. Whether this extreme weather is due to human activity is not the point. We owe it to future generations and the extraordinary and frankly amazing biodiversity on this planet to take care of it regardless.

I’m delighted that these desperately important issues seem to be snow balling. Things are really happening.

It’s very exciting!

]]> By: James Harries http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3493 James Harries Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:08:59 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3493 I like this blog - I think because it gets contributions from people who are up close and personal with the effects of all this, rather than being desk-jocs like myself - nonetheless, on the Gas front, are you aware, over there, that natural gas can be stored as liquid and used as a direct fuel for both land and sea vehicles? Here in Europe it is in fast growing use. I like this blog – I think because it gets contributions from people who are up close and personal with the effects of all this, rather than being desk-jocs like myself – nonetheless, on the Gas front, are you aware, over there, that natural gas can be stored as liquid and used as a direct fuel for both land and sea vehicles? Here in Europe it is in fast growing use.

]]> By: John http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3491 John Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:54:43 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3491 Hi Dale, Great comment, thanks. And really good points about the benefits of natural gas use against coal and the general silliness of building electric cars with their highly toxic, high carbon footprint, batteries and then charging them with electricity from coal. Right up there with making ethanol by burning diesel! Hi Dale,
Great comment, thanks. And really good points about the benefits of natural gas use against coal and the general silliness of building electric cars with their highly toxic, high carbon footprint, batteries and then charging them with electricity from coal. Right up there with making ethanol by burning diesel!

]]> By: Dale http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-3486 Dale Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:24:51 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-3486 I hate when I find blogs like this--there are so many ways to comment on this and only so much time. And I'm several months late. Right, we HAVE to do something now, not in 10 years. In fact the 'ecological, or environmental cliff' may already be upon us. Anyone who watches TV, or the internet, or reads a paper has to realize that something strange is happening. Tornadoes in December and January? Snow in places that haven't seen it in multiple decades, or ever before? And the flooding all over the world? Torrential rain reports are more common now than I ever remember. Wake the politicians UP! Yes, there are people, even scientists that will poo-poo the obvious, but Flat Earthers are here to stay, you can not change them or their ideas. We must deal with the situations at hand with the intellectuals and hope that there is time for us to respond. Perhaps we can get some relief from the oil cartels by using a commodity that is in great abundance in Canada and the US--Natural Gas. No it won't work in aircraft, or boats either--practically. But it would work just fine in most other transportation modes; rail, trucking, buses, and autos. We have to convert the existing coal fired power plants to Nat Gas. We have the capability to put the transportation infrastructure in place almost immediately (in nuclear terms). Besides creating jobs, jobs, jobs, the impact would mean cleaner air in just a few years. At the present rate of use, there is at least one to two hundred years of proven reserves on the books, on the hard with proven extraction methods. Why not actually double that rate through gov. subsidies in the power and transportation industries? I would gladly convert my vehicles. Electric cars, plugged into a coal base power system (using 5 to 10 times the energy to build then they will save), won't work. Will that fix it? No, just a drop in the ocean, but it would be a start, and we need a start. Wind and solar and tidal power could also add to the program, but these things must be done in earnest...now, not politicized for the next 10 years. I live near Cook Inlet where the tides are 20 and 30 FEET. There is just now some talk of using tidal flow for a power experiment. Experiment? The Dutch have been using it for years, this place is nuts! One thing about a carbon foot-print...it's harder than hell to get out of the carpet! I hate when I find blogs like this–there are so many ways to comment on this and only so much time. And I’m several months late.

Right, we HAVE to do something now, not in 10 years. In fact the ‘ecological, or environmental cliff’ may already be upon us. Anyone who watches TV, or the internet, or reads a paper has to realize that something strange is happening. Tornadoes in December and January? Snow in places that haven’t seen it in multiple decades, or ever before? And the flooding all over the world? Torrential rain reports are more common now than I ever remember. Wake the politicians UP!

Yes, there are people, even scientists that will poo-poo the obvious, but Flat Earthers are here to stay, you can not change them or their ideas. We must deal with the situations at hand with the intellectuals and hope that there is time for us to respond.

Perhaps we can get some relief from the oil cartels by using a commodity that is in great abundance in Canada and the US–Natural Gas. No it won’t work in aircraft, or boats either–practically. But it would work just fine in most other transportation modes; rail, trucking, buses, and autos. We have to convert the existing coal fired power plants to Nat Gas. We have the capability to put the transportation infrastructure in place almost immediately (in nuclear terms). Besides creating jobs, jobs, jobs, the impact would mean cleaner air in just a few years. At the present rate of use, there is at least one to two hundred years of proven reserves on the books, on the hard with proven extraction methods. Why not actually double that rate through gov. subsidies in the power and transportation industries? I would gladly convert my vehicles. Electric cars, plugged into a coal base power system (using 5 to 10 times the energy to build then they will save), won’t work.

Will that fix it? No, just a drop in the ocean, but it would be a start, and we need a start. Wind and solar and tidal power could also add to the program, but these things must be done in earnest…now, not politicized for the next 10 years. I live near Cook Inlet where the tides are 20 and 30 FEET. There is just now some talk of using tidal flow for a power experiment. Experiment? The Dutch have been using it for years, this place is nuts!

One thing about a carbon foot-print…it’s harder than hell to get out of the carpet!

]]> By: John http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-2319 John Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:27:20 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-2319 Hi Benjy, Thanks very much for the support and I have to say that I find the motor boats that measure their consumption in gallons/mile pretty hard to take too. Hi Benjy,

Thanks very much for the support and I have to say that I find the motor boats that measure their consumption in gallons/mile pretty hard to take too.

]]> By: benjy http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-2312 benjy Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:08:00 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-2312 Quite right. We are all to blame and a tripling of fuel costs would cause a change, even if we have to pay more for shipping of goods etc. We MUST do something and since we're all responsible, we will just have to swallow the extra costs. On a personal note I would like to see an end to those ridiculous Motorboats that burn tons of fuel an hour taking a few fat lazy people from one beach restaurant to another but then I am in St Tropez there is a hideous concentration of stink boats here. Quite right. We are all to blame and a tripling of fuel costs would cause a change, even if we have to pay more for shipping of goods etc. We MUST do something and since we’re all responsible, we will just have to swallow the extra costs.

On a personal note I would like to see an end to those ridiculous Motorboats that burn tons of fuel an hour taking a few fat lazy people from one beach restaurant to another but then I am in St Tropez there is a hideous concentration of stink boats here.

]]> By: James Harries http://www.morganscloud.com/2010/07/12/the-real-price-of-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-390 James Harries Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:40:53 +0000 http://www.morganscloud.com/whatisnew/2010/07/12/love-of-the-ocean-and-the-real-price-of-oil/#comment-390 Nice one bro, for stirring it up on a fun subject. Just to add to the fun; are you aware of how much the world's mass food industries are wed to oil? (Also, aren't GM food technologies dependent on pesticides that have oil derived components (genuine question, I'm not sure)?) But in any event, we have three converging resource disasters coming to a head in the next thirty years - oil, water and between them, food. While underneath them all, is the big problem no-one likes talking about - population. So, while I wouldn't advocate the immediate hike in oil prices you have suggested, we have to start doing something now. Perhaps an escalator on fuel taxes (yearly increases like we had in the UK up to 2007) and an internationally agreed start on taxing shipping and aviation fuels would be good places to begin. Nice one bro, for stirring it up on a fun subject. Just to add to the fun; are you aware of how much the world’s mass food industries are wed to oil? (Also, aren’t GM food technologies dependent on pesticides that have oil derived components (genuine question, I’m not sure)?)
But in any event, we have three converging resource disasters coming to a head in the next thirty years – oil, water and between them, food. While underneath them all, is the big problem no-one likes talking about – population. So, while I wouldn’t advocate the immediate hike in oil prices you have suggested, we have to start doing something now. Perhaps an escalator on fuel taxes (yearly increases like we had in the UK up to 2007) and an internationally agreed start on taxing shipping and aviation fuels would be good places to begin.

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