We decided that we wanted to stick with a simple machine without a turbo-charger or a controlling computer (more on this in a future post). And that we wanted an engine based on a block designed for commercial/industrial use, and to run for at least 10,000 hours without rebuild and with only routine maintenance—this is my third repower (two in this boat and one in the last) and I don’t want another before I retire from offshore sailing!
Finally, it had to be an engine that is available to our long time preferred boatyard, Billings Diesel and Marine, since we were not willing to get into this project with a yard we didn’t know.
The first thing we discovered when we started the search for our new engine was that there were very few choices available that met our criteria. This is at least partly due to new emission controls, which are most easily met by higher revving engines with common-rail computer controlled fuel systems.
Our first choice was a John Deere 4045D, a four cylinder 4.5 litre 80 HP engine with a reputation for reliability. However, the Deer’s mounting points are substantially wider set than the existing beds in Morgan’s Cloud. I’m sure that Billings could have modified the boat to accommodate the engine, but it would have been expensive and access to the lower parts of the engine would not have been good.
The envelope, please.
So we finally settled on a Perkins Sabre M92B, a 4.4 litre 86 HP updated (mainly, as we understand it, to meet the new Tier 2 emissions rules) version of an engine that Perkins Sabre have been selling for years.
I wish I could tell you that we are 100% comfortable with this selection but, as with most decisions of this type, there are things we like and things we don’t.
Thinks we like about the M92B:
- Based on the Perkins 1104C industrial engine that is designed to run at least 10,000 hours. There is even a plate on the engine committing to that lifetime.
- Mount width is the same as the beds in the boat.
- A very simple engine that any competent diesel mechanic anywhere in the world will be able to fix without special tools.
- A great torque curve with the maximum point just where we need it.
- Rated Horsepower is at just 2400 RPM.
- The fuel use curve looks very good for a simple non-electronic engine.
- The installation manual is clear and complete.
- An impressive 500 hours between oil changes—probably a manifestation of the engine’s industrial heritage.
- An isolated ground system as standard, obviating the need for the extensive modifications required to most engines for installation on an aluminum boat.
- Perkins have produced a long line of reliable engines going back to the venerable 4-108.
- We have two close friends with boats about Morgan’s Cloud’s size that have had great long term service from Perkins engines.
- The price at US$14,500 was reasonable.
- To date, the distributor, Perkins Power Northeast, has been helpful and responsive to our questions.
Things we don’t like:
- Sabre, a separate company, marinizes Perkins industrial engines and this dichotomy manifests in some awkward compromises. For example, the parts book is for the industrial block and includes none of the parts used in marinizing the engine. I can just see being engine down in some obscure place trying to sort out on the phone which salt water pump fits our engine and then finding that we got it wrong after paying FedEx a king’s ransom to get it to us…you get the idea. Sabre needs to provide a full parts manual.
- Further on the parts issue, I have heard of Perkins owners waiting for as much as six weeks to get a part like a fuel injection pump.
- The fuel stop solenoid, which must be energised for the engine to run and can’t be mechanically bypassed, works on 24 volts on our 12 volt engine. And don’t chuckle you guys with 24 volt boats because on the 24 volt engine the lift pump needs 12 volts. To get around this Sabre provide a 12 to 24 volt inverter in the former case, or a 24 to 12 volt converter in the latter. I’m afraid the only word I can apply to this is kludge. It is particularly worrying in that I asked the distributor for a price on a spare inverter over two weeks ago and have yet to find out what the part number is, let alone price and availability.
- Parts are generally about 30% more expensive than they were for the Cummins.
- When we received our engine we discovered from the serial number plate that it was built in 2007 and has been sitting in the distributor’s inventory ever since. Hopefully this is just a function of low US market penetration in recent years because of the then high value of the pound and not an indication of poor sales for this engine worldwide. I also hope we don’t have problems with dried out seals.
So there you have it, the pluses certainly outweigh the minuses to this point. Did we do the right thing? We sure hope so. We will report again after power trials.
As usual, tell us what you think about our selection in the comments.









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I am certain that you will be more than pleased with this choice. I feel a little vindicated as my prediction was for the JD4045. Shame that the feet spacing was an issue. Is there no way that a manual override cannot be arranged for the fuel solenoid? I cannot believe that with the vast number of these engines being sold worldwide that a manual kill is not readily available or adaptable. Other engines I have experience of, in particular Yanmar, use a spring device in a sliding slot thus allowing manual override even when the solenoid is still energised.
Hi David,
Yes, I agree, there should be a way to run and stop the engine without the whole solenoid and inverter rig. I have asked the distributor to get with Sabre and see if they can come up with something. It will be a good test of manufacturer responsiveness too.
The problem is that, based on only a few minutes investigation, it looks to me as if the solenoid is energize-to-run and there is no evidence on the fuel pump of any mechanical lever to do the same job, like there was on the Cummins.
PS. If it had not been for the size of the Deere, you would have had the prize!
None of your cons bother me except the last one…I would be livid enough with this one to insist on a much more currently manufactured engine or at least a significant discount on the price of the one you now have…They should have made you aware of this before sending it to you and given you the option of it with the significant discount or full price for one of current manufacture…My experience is that only Yanmar is free of the maddening attitude that they are doing me a favor by allowing me to avail myself of their product under any circumstances…I hope this works out well for you anyway as I’m sure by now you are already well into the new installation..
Hi Richard,
Yes, we were disappointed too. However, the distributor has confirmed that the warranty will start from the in service date. While undesirable, I suspect that after the recent recession there are a lot of older engines sitting in dealer inventory that were bought before the melt down. Rest assured that if we have any problems with dried out seals, or the like, due to the age of the engine, we will hold Perkins/Sabre’s hand to the fire for a fix on their dime.
I recently did a delivery from San Diego to Costa Rico on a sportfisherman powered by two new MAN common rail engines with the same lovely automatic solenoid that must be activated in order for the engines to run. Result– diode failure in the charging system- voltage drops below 24 volts– and you are now adrift without power. The boat was wired with no crossover to the house bank and no way to charge the engine bank except through the 110v charger.
So before I go to sea again with any “modern” power train engineered by landlubbers i will have a spare solenoid or a way to mechanically bypass the shut off valve.
Richard
Good choice. Perkins has been around forever in this world, so it shouldn’t be hard to find parts or skilled mechanics wherever you are. Congratulations and good luck. I also agree to stay away from a lot of electronics and turbos when it comes to marine environments. Take care out there.
Thanks, Conny, that is a great comfort coming from someone with your knowledge. (Conny is a senior executive at a company that also builds diesel engines.)
Pleased to see you have chosen a Perkins. Their track record is second to none and you can get them serviced anywhere in the world – along with generally, good availability of parts. I had a venerable (1988) marinised (Spanish) 4108 in my Ron Holland 43 which gave undying service.
Even after overheating mid Atlantic and setting off the powder fire extinguisher, I was able to run her when needed at 1200 rpm for the rest of the crossing without damage. At 9000hrs I replaced the bearings in Auckland (1999) and she is still running good as ever today.
Good choice and good luck.