A Tale Of Two Water Heaters

Last year our venerable and functional 9 gallon Allcraft water heater (on the right) finally bit the big one after 15 years of faithful service. And, wouldn’t you know it, Allcraft had gone out of business.

So, after some fairly perfunctory research—how big a deal could a water heater be?—we ordered a new stainless steel 10.5 gallon water  heater from Atwood Mobile Products. Sadly it has turned out to be a disappointment and near useless to us for the following reasons:

  1. The thermostat can not be adjusted and is set way too cool. (We have an automatic temperature constant mixing faucet in the shower, so there is no danger of anyone getting burned if we set the thermostat a bit higher.)
  2. The minute that you use any of the hot water and it is replaced by cold water, the remaining water in the tank becomes barely warm. We think this is due to the heater’s squat square shape that brings the inlet and outlet too close together so that the incoming cold water mixes with the remaining warm water, instead of staying at the bottom of the tank, like it did in the old heater.
  3. Even after running the main engine for an hour and thereby causing 180 degree F (80 C) water to flow through the heater’s exchanger, the water in the heater is barely warm. (We know that hot water from the engine jacket is flowing through the water heater because the Webasco heat exchanger cabin heater plumbed in parallel still works fine and puts out as it always has.)

The result of the above is that we can barely get two showers out of the new heater before the water goes cold. And this “intrepid Arctic sailor” is a real wimp about cold showers. That’s why Phyllis, who is made of sterner stuff, always gets the second shower these days.

Contrast this with the old Allcraft that would after just 30 minutes of engine run time, easily do two hot showers, (indicating an efficient heat exchanger) and then provide plenty of hot water for the dinner dishes a couple of hours later. Even after all that, the water would still be warm in the morning!

So, three issues:

  1. In our opinion, and from our experience, the Atwood heater is pretty much useless in a boat installation, although I guess it would be OK if you were plugged in at a marina most of the time.
  2. Can anybody recommend a water heater that actually works in the real world of live-aboard offshore voyaging in which shore power is a rare luxury that happens maybe 10-20 nights a year? It would be really nice, although not vital, if it was fabricated out of stainless steel too, like our old Allcraft. If so, please leave a comment.
  3. Does anyone want to buy a slightly used Atwood water heater? Oh well, I guess not. Me and my big mouth.

As usual with this type of post we will contact Atwood to see if they would like to comment.

{ 17 comments… add one }

  • Collin April 29, 2010, 6:12 pm

    I can’t yet offer you the benefit of any direct experience, but I can tell you where my research took me. The water heater I selected for the voyaging boat I am building is the Superstor SS012m. In its favor is a 316L stainless steel liner, relatively compact space requirements for its 12 gallon size, and a respectable 1/2° F per hour heat loss rating. I’ve also had passing conversations with a couple of users who are very satisfied with their purchase. I tripped into the one I purchased on Craigslist for a very satisfying price (in Maine nonetheless–timing is everything!). The best retail price I was able to find was through Defender. You can learn more at: http://www.htproducts.com/marinewaterheater.html

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    • Rhonda May 5, 2011, 11:27 am

      I have to ask, are you happy with your Superstor?

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      • John May 8, 2011, 9:43 am

        Hi Rhonda,

        Yes we are, sort of: We like the heater, the best we have ever had for heat retention, but we don’t like the company’s attitude one little bit: Our heater came with the wrong thermostat for use with a diesel engine (see a comment from me further down the thread) and because we had bought it on the internet from Defender (the only place we could find that sold it) they refused to even talk to us. So we had to buy the right thermostat at a cost of some $80.00. The person on the phone was actually rude and obnoxious about it.

        We also don’t like that you can’t replace the element, so if that burns out you are on the hook for a new heater.

        Finally, they are selling it as a marine water heater, but it has really weak and chintzy mounting brackets. In fact they even warn you not to rely on the standard mounting if the boat will be in motion! Worse still, they make no suggestion about how to solve this. We are about to fabricate a custom bracket from threaded rod to make sure it won’t come loose, but we should not have to do this.

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  • Brian Lockett April 30, 2010, 7:24 am

    We’ve had good luck with Isotemp, good temp adjustment, all stainless, two useful configurations. Mfg by Indel Marine.

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  • David H April 30, 2010, 7:52 am

    Here in the UK a good calorifier can be obtained from Surecal http://www.surecal.co.uk/Product/SureCal.aspxecal.
    I have experience of two of their calorific heaters. Both are fully heated after approx 20 minutes of engine running. They feature a well insulated jacket which after 12 hours still retains reasonable heat. A pressure relief valve protects the system, and the in-built immersion heater (1kw; 240volt in our case) warms the tank quickly. A good feature is the balance valve that allows hot/cold mixing directly from the tank, thus preserving more of the heated water. An expansion device is crucial. A real bonus is they are really good value! Hope this helps?

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  • Wayne Lukas December 18, 2010, 8:42 pm

    Hello,

    Allcraft was sold, the new owners will build water heaters on order. I recently purchased a 12 gal vertical heater from the original owner who has a few models stored in his garage after selling the business.

    if you are still interested in purchasing an Allcraft heater, e-mail me and I will get you contact with the original owner as well as the new owners.

    Wayne lukas

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    • Doug M July 21, 2013, 7:46 pm

      Hi Wayne,

      I have an H-9 (9 gallon) Allcraft heater which has served us pretty well for the last 7 years but has died (I beleive it is the element) and would like to get their information if I could. I know this forum is old but still hoping…

      Cheers, Doug

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      • MRW February 11, 2014, 1:12 pm

        You can get the element at Knox Supply in Chattanooga TN

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    • MRW February 11, 2014, 1:16 pm

      Wayne,
      I would be interested in contacting the new owners as I need a temperature sensor for my old Allcraft. It works fine except the sensor has gone bad.

      Regards,
      Trip

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  • John December 20, 2010, 12:41 pm

    Hi Wayne,

    Thanks for the heads up. We are now all set with a Superstor, which works very well, even better than our old Allcraft.

    We did have problems with the Superstor in that it came with the wrong thermostat so that the over heat protector cut out every time we ran the engine. Fixed now, but expensive and irritating, since Superstor were very unhelpful.

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  • John November 14, 2011, 2:11 pm

    I have a water heater that when I am hooked up to shore power every time I make the breaker to turn it on, I blow the fuse at the outlet on the dock. Any idea what is causing this?

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    • John November 14, 2011, 6:18 pm

      Hi John,

      Something is shorted in the heater. If I had to guess I would go for the wires where they enter the case due to chafe. However, any competent electrician should be able to find the problem in less than an hour with a meter. Fixing it may take longer. You should get this fixed because it may indicate a short between the hot wire and the case, which, if the ground wire fails, could kill someone.

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      • John Haggis November 14, 2011, 9:32 pm

        will do, thanks.

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  • Ed finn November 23, 2012, 9:17 pm

    The 6 gal Raritan cylindrical unit worked great for me…
    It is in my 1985 C&C Since new…
    The mounting screws/ flanges were too flimsy, and rusted out. But lots of hot water w/ Engine or electricity
    … Still available from West. Marine @ $629.00 # 296394
    Ed

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    • John November 24, 2012, 8:17 am

      Hi Ed,

      Yes, I have heard of this rust out problem on the Raritan heaters before. Not a trivial issue in that a 80 pound heater that comes adrift at sea could be a very serious and potentially dangerous problem.

      Mind you, have get to see a marine water heater with adequate mounting hardware out of the box.

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  • Anders Juel November 26, 2012, 9:31 am

    The Surecal has good mountings and it is a very, very good heater. Some of the features are mentioned in the mail above. It also has copper inside (never rust), several heating coils for electrical heaters and engine/hot water heaters.
    They are available at Marinetec-us in Seattle.

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  • Victor Raymond February 7, 2014, 5:12 pm

    I am considering either adding an external heat exchanger (20,000 btu double wall flat plate) to the current 230v hot water heater or a brand new Torrid hot water heater (with replaceable heat exchanger and elements.) Anyone have any experience with either of these two systems would love to hear your thoughts and experiences.
    BTW Superstor is no longer producing marine grade HWHs so that option is out.
    Thank you

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