CQR Anchor, Problems

The Problem:

When we bought Morgan’s Cloud in 1991, she came with a 75lb CQR primary anchor that fit on the bow roller beautifully. Over the next few years we made cruises throughout the North Atlantic and associated Arctic waters. Our rule was that once north of Newfoundland we did not even try the CQR but used our 150lb Luke fisherman type anchor with all the attendant hassles; and believe me, there are many. We simply believed the wisdom of the time that ‘stockless anchors don’t work in the high latitudes’.

We also had a terrible time getting the CQR to stick in the hard sand of the Bahamas and even in my native Bermuda. In 2001 we cruised Norway and continued to have a bad time with the CQR, often trying two or three potential anchorages before getting it to set, or giving up altogether and tying to a wharf.

I should stop here and say that we don’t consider an anchor securely set until it can withstand 1800 RPM (about 3/4 power) in reverse from our 120 hp engine driving a three blade Max-prop. A tough standard, but we have never dragged after applying it.

Manufacturer’s Response:

None, not contacted.

The Outcome:

In 2000, we bought a 30kg (66lb) SPADE anchor and quickly found that, despite being lighter than the CQR and set on rope, it set faster and held better. So toward the end of the 2001 sailing season in Norway we put the SPADE on our chain rode. Suddenly we were getting anchored securely everywhere despite its relatively small size.

That winter we put a 55kg (120lb) SPADE on the primary bow roller on chain, moved the 30kg (66lb) SPADE to our secondary bow roller on rope, and our anchoring problems were over.

Since then we have cruised Norway, Svalbard, Iceland, Greenland and Newfoundland, anchoring hundreds of times, sometimes in very unfavorable bottom types and often on a very short scope. The SPADE has only failed to set twice (in very thin mud and in roller bearing type rocks) and has never dragged once set. We have not needed to use the Luke since getting the big SPADE.

Lessons Learned:

  1. Don’t accept that this is as good as it gets.
    In offshore sailing we often go along for years with poor gear without ever questioning the prevailing wisdom that this is as good as it gets. Does anyone else remember that incredibly dangerous machine, the halyard reel winch? For years after the drum winch became readily available, we were told that we had to put up with this wrist breaking monster on the main halyard because it was unseamanlike to use rope halyards or have a rope to wire splice take the load when reefed. It’s hard to believe now.
  2. Be open to new technology.
    We still see the majority of cruisers out there with old style anchors when there are several much better modern designs available. The SPADE is only one option; we have heard good things about the Rocna and several other new designs.
  3. Up-size your anchor—a lot.
    We are convinced that the increase in anchor holding as size increases is far more than linear. We also think that once you get over 45kg (100lb) you enter a new world of holding and setting capability. I can hear many of you now, “I’m not putting all that weight on the bow!” But have you thought of going to high tensile chain—G4 or even G7—which will allow you to reduce at least one size on the chain and more than make up for the weight of a bigger anchor? This has been Steve Dashew’s approach for years.
  4. Don’t be fooled by the tests.
    The CQR and other old design anchors often do relatively well in them, but we, and many other experienced cruisers, have not had those results in the real world.
  5. Don’t let inconvenience stop you from doing the right thing.
    Don’t let the hassles of modifying your boat’s bow roller to fit a new style anchor stop you from getting one. It will be worth the expense and aggravation, believe me.

Further Reading

{ 9 comments… add one }

  • Dick Stevenson May 29, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    John, Same experiences, different location. CQR worked well (US East Coast, Caribbean & Bahamas) till the Mediteranean where it was very difficult to set. I now have a 30kg (66#) Spade (40 foot vessel) and have been much much happier with it the last 2 years in the Med. Sets much easier and I use the same backing down technique. My only caveat is cosmetic as the Spade appears to be rusting up faster than I would expect.
    Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

    Reply
    • John June 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

      Hi Dick,

      We had the same experience with our SPADE rusting, although, of course, that made no difference to what a great job it did keeping us secure. The US distributor tells us that the new owners of SPADE have made a big improvement to the galvanizing quality on the newer anchors.

      BTW, if you do decide to re-galvanize, that will result in the lead in the tip melting out. And it is vital that you replace that lead with exactly the same amount. We have a friend who replaced the lead with zinc on the suggestion of the galvanizing company. Zinc is about half as heavy as lead. The result was that the anchor dragged repeatedly.

      Reply
  • Daria Blackwell November 22, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Dear John,

    Same problems, slightly different but similarly satisfying solutions. Our Bowman 57 came with a 75 lb CQR and a 150 lb Luke. The Luke kept the bilge company until we turned it into a lawn ornament a few years back. We used the CQR around New England waters but found that it dragged just when we needed it to stay put one too many times. So we decided to upgrade to a Rocna. We have nothing but praise about and confidence in that anchor after three trips across the Atlantic and countless days at anchor in many countries and islands (notwithstanding the recent complaints about substandard construction of some models built in China).

    We have since added a Turkish made Ultra as a primary and use the Rocna as our storm anchor. We have a lightweight Fortress to deploy from the dinghy (the others would sink it) and a Delta for stern deployment. We are happy!

    With all the experience we amassed in researching the subject, we have also written a book, just out in its second edition, called “Happy Hooking. The Art of Anchoring.” We cover all the new gear and techniques, and how the new independent tests are uncovering the limitations of the CQR and other older designs.

    Nevertheless, there are still so many sailors struggling with their legacy acquisitions and justifying their experience. We teach the anchoring courses for Seven Seas University of the SSCA and we often hear that people love their CQR, “it’s only dragged twice in all the time we’ve had it.” Well neither our Rocna nor our Ultra have ever dragged after they were set. And the Rocna only failed to set once, off Cuttyhunk MA, in an area that is choked with weed.

    We are converts. Thanks for sharing your stories.

    Capt. Daria Blackwell, s/v Aleria

    Reply
  • Dick Stevenson November 22, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Dear Daria,
    All interesting comments and could not agree more. We use a Spade which has many of the same characteristics of the Rocna, short of the roll bar which would not work on our vessel. I and friends with the Rocna and Mason do have an unanswered question which has to do with re-setting after an abrupt wind /change wuth higher winds. My anchor (and the others) comes up so loaded with whatever is on the bottom that I have wondered about the anchors capacity to re-set with all that debris on the leading edge. I have yet to find this question addressed, either in actual use or theoretically and would be very interested in your (or anyone’s) experiences and thoughts.
    Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

    Reply
    • Daria Blackwell November 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm

      Hi Dick,
      That’s a very important question. We always tell people that realistically you need a windlass with the new generation of anchors because they do hold so well and bring up so much muck. So, does that foul the anchor? Well, there’s some indication that if pulled out full of muck, the new generation anchors may not reset very well. BUT…

      One test, conducted in 2009 by the French magazine Voiles & Voilliers and reported in English in the Nov 2009 Yachting Monthly, investigated what would happen with 70 degree and 180 degree shifts in directional load (as would happen with changes in wind/current). What they found is that both the Manson Supreme and Spade (anchors they tested in Europe) veer very well within the substrate without pulling out. We have found the very same with our scoop type anchors. We had a 180 degree wind shift at 40+ knots without the Rocna budging an inch. Tests with the Ultra also show very good veering capacity without break out. In fact, they just keep digging deeper.

      Interestingly, in the 2006 tests conducted by West Marine and reported in SAIL among other publications, the Spade was shown to do better with more scope (5:1) whereas some of the other anchors (Manson Supreme, Rocna) held well at 3:1. Personally, I’d go with more scope any time any way as it allows the tip to address the bottom better, especially if there’s any chance it will pull out.

      I hope that helps.

      Daria Blackwell s/v Aleria

      Reply
  • Dick Stevenson November 22, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Daria, Yes, a windlass is a help. Never have I seen my bow depress the way the Spade forces it down prior to letting go of the bottom. The work to clear the debris is impressive at times also, but well worth it. I keep my ear to the talk among those who anchor out a lot and anecdotally this new generation of anchors gets good reports for re-setting. But I was curious what you had heard. Thanks for the reply. Safe sailing, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

    Reply
  • John November 22, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Hi Darian and Dick,

    I’m going to suggest that we cut this off right here. The reason being that it is such a great thread that it should have a post of its own to anchor (ouch) it.

    I will put such a post up in the next week. Until then, I would ask you to keep your powder dry.

    Reply
  • Alain Rémi October 26, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Hi ! I’ve been sailing offshore since 1976 & I’ve always used a 35# CQR as my primary anchor: Coincidence, my 3 sailboats were/are sloops of 6 metric tons displacement although of very different design: A full keel Camper & Nicholson 31, a Chance 33 (A prematurely retired really bad racing boat, but a decent cruising boat -Chance was a weirdo!) & now a 1987 Ericson 34 in very good shape. After reading extensively on old & new anchors I will get a 33 pounds Rocna as my primary anchor & will keep the anchors already on Chessa as back-ups. Cheers ! Alain (Sailboat Chessa)

    Reply

Leave a Comment

If your comment does not display immediately, please contact us.
Your e-mail address will not be displayed and we will not send you junk mail.


Get your own avatar like ours.
Avatars

Previous Post (by date):

Next Post (by date):

Password Reset
Please enter your e-mail address. You will receive a new password via e-mail.